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Debunking 9/11 Debunking: Griffin Answers Critics



Debunking 9/11 Debunking: An Answer to Popular Mechanics and Other Defenders of the Official Conspiracy Theory, by David Ray Griffin


“By virtue of his previous four books on the subject, David Ray Griffin is widely recognized as one of the leading spokespersons of the 9/11 truth movement, which rejects the official conspiracy theory about 9/11. Although this movement was long ignored by the US government and the mainstream media, recent polls have shown that (as Time magazine has acknowledged) the rejection of the official theory has become "a mainstream political phenomenon." It is not surprising, therefore, that the government and the corporately controlled media have shifted tactics. No longer ignoring the 9/11 truth movement, they have released a flurry of stories and reports aimed at debunking it.

“In the present book, David Ray Griffin shows that these attempts can themselves be easily debunked. Besides demonstrating the pitiful failure of Debunking 9/11 Myths (published by Popular Mechanics and endorsed by Senator John McCain), Griffin riddles recent reports and stories put out by the US Department of State, the National Institute of Standards and Technology, the New York Times, Vanity Fair, and Time magazine. He also responds to criticisms of these efforts by left-leaning and Christian publications-which one might have expected to be supportive.

“Throughout these critiques, Griffin shows that the charge that is regularly leveled against critics of the official theory--that they employ irrational and unscientific methods to defend conclusions based on faith--actually applies more fully to those who defend the official theory.

“This book, by debunking the most prevalent attempts to refute the evidence cited by the 9/11 truth movement, shows that this movement's central claim--that 9/11 was an inside job-remains the only explanation that fits the facts.

”David Ray Griffin is professor of philosophy of religion and theology, emeritus, at Claremont School of Theology and Claremont Graduate University in Claremont, California, where he remains a co-director of the Center for Process Studies. His 30 books include The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions about the Bush Administration and 9/11 (2004), The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions (2005), 9/11 and American Empire (2006, with Peter Dale Scott).”
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The Coming Embarrassment of Kean-Zelikow’s Implicit Defenders

Many of those exigent minds whose high standards of probity force them to withhold their assent to the hypothesis that 9/11 was an inside job are going to have egg on their faces, and I can hardly wait. In this gravest of public matters they will be shown to have been intellectually sloppy. Inclining them to sloppiness is either panic about official murder impeding the advance of political agendas (whether libertarian or socialist), or tunnel vision about one or two a priori “what-abouts?” that are supposed to make the larger picture go away so they can go back to business as usual.

The larger picture is that the Kean-Zelikow Report is a mockery of a criminal investigation and has all the credibility of a Stalinist show-trial. That, ladies and gentlemen, is what is at stake, not “Well, then what happened to the passengers of Flight 77? Ya see? These conspiracy guys are just daffy!”

Exigent minds have acquiesced in delinquency by major news organizations on a level that ordinarily would have had them screaming bloody murder. In the face of bloody murder, however, their response has been to ridicule those leveling the charge. The ridiculers are either driven by political agendas that speculations about murder can derail, or they are incarnations of the caricature of the absent-minded professor whose eyes are ever on the stars until he falls into the ditch in his path.

A substantial interview with David Ray Griffin from September 5th covers a multitude of topics pertaining to 9/11 and is available here. One salient excerpt, if I may:

A lot of people say the 9/11 Commission, which has endorsed the official account, was an impartial commission and can be believed. It was independent, there were Republicans and Democrats, and they did a deep and thorough investigation. Who are we, without their resources, to question their conclusions?



9/11, the Rational Temper, and Temper Tantrums


In an address to students in his 90th year, philosopher Brand Blanshard (1892-1987) put his finger on why it is so hard to be reasonable:

On any given subject there is just one true view. That view may be hidden away beneath mounds of ambiguous and conflicting evidence which only a committed seeker after truth would have the determination to sift and clear away. Yet our whole nonrational self may press upon us a simpler view of its own that unifies our nature behind it, that satisfies our sentiments regarding ourselves and our group, that cuts off the restlessness of doubt and the strain of reflective effort, that gives us the serene inner peace of being right, that has in fact only one thing against it: that it may be, and probably is, wrong.

What our intelligence wants is, of course, the truth. What the rest of our nature asks from our intelligence is not what is true but what will satisfy. By that we mean what will appease our impulsive and emotional nature, our longing to be liked, our desire to see our future secure, our character respected, our faith vindicated, our party shown to be the party of sober sense, or nation triumphant. When one considers how hidden and barricaded the truth commonly is, how definite it is, allowing no alternative, how feeble is our passion for it, and how overwhelming the tendencies in us to look for it through distorting prisms, the wonder is not that most of us are irrational but that some of us are as rational as we are. (“On the Difficulties of Being Reasonable”)

When it comes to 9/11, the relevance of Blanshard’s wisdom should be obvious. A couple of recent columns exhibit the polar ends of the spectrum of reasonableness regarding how to evaluate 9/11 theories (the government’s and alternatives to it), and they provide material for today’s longer than usual post.



What If CBS News Reported And Nobody Listened?

September 10, 2006

Mr. Armen Keteyian
The CBS Evening News
524 West 57th St.
New York, NY 10019

Dear Mr. Keteyian,

As I watched your report, “Making Our Skies Safer,” last Friday, re-watched it, and read its transcript, I wondered why CBS News still acts as it did when only a few networks, magazines, and newspapers shaped its audience’s view of the world. That the world’s mightiest Air Force, ready for almost fifty years to take on the Soviet Union at a moment’s notice, simply “could not see what the FAA could see” is antecedently incredible. Their officers’ feigning, in 2006, “gosh-we-sure-fouled-up-that-day-but-that-ain’t-never-gonna-happen-again” insults our intelligence.

Two years before 9/11, President Clinton thanked the FAA and the Air Force for cooperating to escort, and endeavor to provide assistance to, a Learjet that went off the reservation, meandered over the skies of America with no one at the controls, and crashed killing all six on board, including golfer Payne Stewart. You can read the original Dallas Morning News story here and CNN’s here Here’s how this event struck retired Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Karen Kwiatkowski, who worked in the Pentagon on 9/11 (and is being copied on this message):

The [9/11] Commission concluded that the FAA was not really capable of giving the military what it needed to know. Things have certainly gone downhill since 1999, when Payne Stewart’s twin engine Learjet quietly drifted off its flight plan, and was escorted by military jets from Eglin AFB and Tyndall AFB in Florida, ANG out of Tulsa, and out of Fargo, for several hours across several states before it ran out of gas and crashed in South Dakota. The difference was that Stewart was just a guy in a single private plane off course with no explanation, while on 9/11, it was one, no two, wait—three, I mean four, jumbo passenger jets. Unlike Stewart’s plane, which simply left its flight plan and was unresponsive, the FAA actually had hijack warnings on AA 11 at 89 AM and UA 175 at 8:521 AM. After two hijack warnings, AA 77 made an unauthorized turn at 8:54 AM. The Herndon Control Center knew UA 93 was hijacked at 9:34.

The Commission reports the first fighter jets from Otis ANG Base were scrambled for AA 11 thirty-four minutes after the first hijack alert and again, from Langley AFB, a half hour or so later. At 10:38, fighter jets from Andrews AFB were airborne. None had a visual on any of the four planes until it was too late. In 1999, more military jets were on the job watching a lone Learjet over the Midwest than in the 2001 response to multiple hijacks on the densely populated East Coast. [Karen Kwiatkowski, “Assessing the Official 9/11 Conspiracy Theory,” in 9/11 and the American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out, David Ray Griffin and Peter Dale Scott, eds., Northhampton, MA: Olive Branch Press, 2007 [sic], p. 23.

And yet no heads rolled either at the FAA or the Air Force after what can only be described (at least at first glance) as a display of a level of incompetence indistinguishable from criminal neglect.

Philosopher and theologian David Ray Griffin (who is also being copied) has repeatedly demonstrated, however, that incompetence cannot explain the failure of so many systems that day. A stand-down order, however, does. Below this letter I have appended one of his popular, yet documented, presentations of his examination of the Air Force’s series of tales.

Last week Time reported that according an August Scripps-Howard poll “36% of Americans consider it ‘very likely’ or ‘somewhat likely’ that government officials either allowed the attacks to be carried out or carried out the attacks themselves. Thirty-six percent adds up to a lot of people. This is not a fringe phenomenon. It is mainstream political reality.” (Sep. 11, 2006, p. 46). The Washington Post explored this reality in last Friday’s edition (Michael Powell, “The Disbelievers: 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists Are Building Their Case Against the Government From Ground Zero,” Sep. 8, 2006).

Perhaps the CBS News’ future investigations into 9/11 will reflect cognizance of that reality.

9/11: The Myth and the Reality (Excerpt)
David Ray Griffin
Myth Number 7: US officials have explained why the hijacked airliners were not intercepted.



Explosions . . .

. . . on the lower floors and in the basement of the Twin Towers are the focal point of a 17.5-minute documentary consisting wholly of on-the-scene video and print reports from 9/11, illustrated by many examples of controlled demolition.

Listen to reporters, fire fighters, police, and 20-year WTC veteran janitor Willie Rodriguez give their raw, earwitness testimony.

Listen to and watch Larry Silverstein recall the decision to “Pull it” . . . “it” being Tower 7, not hit by any plane.

Who had the opportunity to install the charges and when? See for yourself (at 15:25).

All of this was beneath the notice of the august Kean-Zelikow Commission.

Of course, if you simply don't want to have an insight into the data, which insight may force you deliver a socially forbidden judgment, then you must avoid every occasion of receiving the data.

The 9/11 Commission Report: A 571 Page Lie

“. . . the official story has never been publicly defended against informed criticism by any member of NIST, the 9/11 Commission, or the Bush administration.” David Ray Griffin, “9/11: The Myth and The Reality,” March 30, 2006

The 9/11 Commission Report: A 571 Page Lie

By Dr. David Ray Griffin

September 8, 2005

In discussing my second 9/11 book, The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions, I have often said, only half in jest, that a better title might have been "a 571-page lie." (Actually, I was saying "a 567-page lie," because I was forgetting to count the four pages of the Preface.) In making this statement, one of my points has been that the entire Report is constructed in support of one big lie: that the official story about 9/11 is true.

Another point, however, is that in the process of telling this overall lie, The 9/11 Commission Report tells many lies about particular issues. This point is implied by my critique's subtitle, "Omissions and Distortions." It might be thought, to be sure, that of the two types of problems signaled by those two terms, only those designated "distortions" can be considered lies.

It is better, however, to understand the two terms as referring to two types of lies: implicit and explicit. We have an explicit lie when the Report claims that the core of each of the Twin Towers consisted of a hollow steel shaft or when it claims that Vice President Cheney did not give the shoot-down order until after 10:10 that morning. But we have an implicit lie when the Commission, in its discussion of the 19 alleged suicide hijackers, omits the fact that at least six of them have credibly been reported to be still alive, or when it fails to mention the fact that Building 7 of the World Trade Center collapsed. Such omissions are implicit lies partly because they show that the Commission did not honor its stated intention "to provide the fullest possible account of the events surrounding 9/11." They are also lies insofar as the Commission could avoid telling an explicit lie about the issue in question only by not mentioning it, which, I believe, was the case in at least most instances.

Given these two types of lies, it might be wondered how many lies are contained in The 9/11 Commission Report . I do not know. But, deciding to see how many lies I had discussed in my book, I found that I had identified over 100 of them. Once I had made the list, it occurred to me that others might find this summary helpful. Hence this article.

One caveat: Although in some of the cases it is obvious that the Commission has lied, in other cases I would say, as I make clear in the book, that it appears that the Commission has lied. However, in the interests of simply giving a brief listing of claims that I consider to be lies, I will ignore this distinction between obvious and probable lies, leaving it to readers, if they wish, to look up the discussion in The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions. For ease in doing this, I have parenthetically indicated the pages of the book on which the various issues are discussed.

Given this clarification, I now list the omissions and claims of The 9/11 Commission Report that I, in my critique of that report, portrayed as lies:


Two Theologians Debate 9/11

Ian Markham, Hartford Seminary:

When a book argues that the American President deliberately and knowingly was "involved" in the slaughter of 3,000 US citizens, then this is irresponsible.

David Ray Griffin, Claremont School of Theology:

This is itself, of course, a very strong charge. . . . I will respond to this charge . . . by showing that Markham has provided no support for it and that, therefore, he has failed his own test: that criticism needs to be responsible.

Those who are best able to evaluate the merits of a controversial position when it is honed in battle with a well-meaning, honest, and intelligent adversary have a treat in store for them here. I will not risk overstating Griffin’s performance. Taste and see.

Previous posts on Griffin are here, here, here, here, and here. More links on my site's David Ray Griffin page.

". . . Governments Should Be Afraid of Their People."

If Zacarias Moussaoui deserves death for failing to inform authorities of what he knew about 9/11, what should be meted out to those who actually installed and detonated the explosives in the Twin Towers that day?
9/11 Truth in New York Magazine

Mark Jacobson's "The Ground Zero Grassy Knoll" summarizes the salient points scholars have been making against the government's conspiracy theory, including those related to controlled demolition. Excellent graphics illustrate the text in both the online and print edition (March 27). Read it and use it!

Of course, there are Americans who will simply refuse to believe "their" government is capable of such criminality, no matter how much evidence there is for it. (Well, they might believe it if the government told them to.) The good news, however, is that almost as many Americans are amenable to reasonable persuasion on this gravest of matters.

It's up to those who know what the questions are to demand that those in the question-asking business — in the first place the New York Times — start asking them.

For its breakthrough mainstream coverage, which superbly undermines the impact of its cover blurb ("9/11: Conspiracy Theorists Run Amok"), the editors of New York Magazine deserve the gratitude of a federally punked nation.
Why No Dubai-ety about 9/11 Report?

Over the past few weeks we’ve seen the topical convergence of Middle East war, Zionism, the anti-Arab species of anti-Semitism, anti-terrorism, anti-nuclear proliferation, lies about 9/11, the Holocaust. . . but I repeat myself.

The defeat of the Dubai government-controlled port security deal is one more victory for the “New Pearl Harbor” mythology that pins the tail of responsibility for 9/11 on the wrong jackass. Deal-blocking verbiage had been slapped onto a so-called “must-pass” emergency spending bill that continues to fund the imperial misadventure in Iraq and Afghanistan, soon to spill over to Iran (thereby ensuring supply of recruits to Al-Qaeda. Here’s their employment contract.) But we’ll never know whether “must-pass” was really “can-be-vetoed”: the United Arab Emirates’s DP World says it will transfer its ownership of port terminals to an American-owned company.

See what a little scrutiny can do?

Meanwhile the 600-pound elephants poached by scholarly critics of the 9/11 Commission’s whitewash are a politically protected species, free to stomp all over the global landscape incognito. One wonders why that Commission’s whitewash of high crimes has yet to attract the attention of our heroic Congressional freedom-fighters.

On second thought, one doesn’t.


Some 9/11 Facts, Irritating for Those Who've Made Their Peace with Received Opinion

Courtesy of blogger "Bulldog". Go there for the links to the original news stories that substantiate his claims.

9/11 and Five Major Coincidences

1. On September 11, 2001, it just so happens that the CIA was planning an exercise whereby it would crash a small jet into one of its own buildings. Don't believe me? Check this USA Today article.


One More Time: Explosions, Not Flames, Cause Buildings to Collapse

A few hours ago a gas explosion in a New Jersey apartment building caused it to collapse, something a fully-fueled C-130 transport plan couldn't do to a comparable structure into which it crashed in Iran last week.

But "everyone knows" that the crash of two airliners brought down the Twin Towers, don't they.
FDR's "Old Pearl Harbor" Had One Moral Advantage over Bush's "New Pearl Harbor"

It was a case of "let it happen" rather than "make it happen."

Both war criminals counted on the masses to discount as looney any suggestion of an official criminal conspiracy to whip up war fever. In both eras, thousands died, and die, for a pack of lies.
Today an Iranian C-130 Transport Plane, Loaded with Fuel, Crashed into 10-Story Apartment Complex, Which Burst into Flames, Yet Never Collapsed. How Come?

Because no one in the Iranian government rigged it with explosives. That’s how come.

By the way, according to Reuters, "U.S. sanctions have prevented Iran from buying new aircraft or spares from the West, forcing it to supplement its fleet of Boeing and Airbus planes with aircraft from former Soviet Union countries." Nothing Israel, who is looking forward to bombing Iran in the near future, has to worry about, is it.
Physics Professor Alerts Country to the Camel of 9/11 Cover-Up, While His Colleagues Strain at Gnats

It's one thing for a retired theologian like David Ray Griffin to conclude that only controlled demolition credibly explains the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers. It's quite another for an active physics professor to do so. And so when Brigham Young University Professor Steven E. Jones did just that, the people who sign his paychecks convinced him to shut up.


9/11 Controlled Demolition: Reasoned Conclusion, Not Gratuitous Conjecture

The following report squares with the notes I took on October 15 in New York City. I only added links to Professor Griffin’s University of Wisconsin speech and his recent testimony before the Congressional Black Caucus. —A.F.

Dr. David Ray Griffin, Noted Author and Theologian Says: Controlled Demolition Of World Trade Center Is Now A Fact, Not A Theory

In two speeches to overflow crowds in New York last month, notable theologian David Ray Griffin argued that recently revealed evidence seals the case that the Twin Towers and WTC-7 were destroyed by controlled demolition with explosives. Despite the many enduring mysteries of the 9/11 attacks, Dr. Griffin concluded, "It is already possible to know, beyond a reasonable doubt, one very important thing: the destruction of the World Trade Center was an inside job, orchestrated by terrorists within our own government."

David Ray Griffin's Gentle Jousting

Last week Professor Griffin forwarded to me his (undated) reply to the criticism of Scott Petiya, a person unknown to me, and yesterday informed me that Mr. Steven Saint of "Active for Justice" was the person to ask for permission to post the letters, which he graciously gave. Griffin's reply is such a model of patient correction that the details of its genesis are less important than that it be read. Mr. Petiya's letter is appended. More on this topic in a recent post.--Anthony Flood


I was asked to reply to the letter by Scott Petiya.

I believe I understand his concern. I certainly understand his conviction that even the Bush administration would not have orchestrated 9/11, since that was my view for the first year and a half.

However, we should finally let our beliefs be controlled by the relevant evidence, not our a priori assumptions about what people would and would not do. And when I finally looked at the evidence, I was quite amazed to find how strong it is. As I showed in my first book on the topic, The New Pearl Harbor, a very strong cumulative argument leads to the conclusion that the Bush administration planned and carried out the attacks.